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I need clarification on "suppression fire" on page 21 of the CWC rule book. Do units that have a save value roll-off the hits caused by units that can only suppress the unit. For example, if an attacker has a 4/40* attack value and rolls 2 "6"s, does the target use its save value to prevent the suppression? Or are the two "6"s in this case re-rolled with another six result indicating the target unit is suppressed?

Thanks in advance, also apologies if this was answered years ago.

Mitch

From memory it's a single roll, not a double roll.

You roll one die for each unsaved hit. So the target rolls its saves first. Then you move onto suppression if the target fails to save any of the hits scored.

The firer is trying to roll whatever the to-hit score was again to cause a suppression.

Maybe I have not been clear. Please read the paragraph titled "suppressive fire" on page 21 and let me know what it is saying. In my example above, the 4/40* is an attacker that can only use suppressive fire against an armored target (one that has a save value). It is not clear to me.

Thanks again,
Mitch

I think the answer is no if you have rolled two 'hits' for want of a better term and both have caused suppression then as far as I am aware the target is suppressed and does not save against the suppression.

Cheers

Richard P

Thanks to all for your input. Clearly this rule is not being applied in a standard fashion. Hopefully it gets more clearly written in the upcoming CWC new release in 2018.

Thank you,
Mitch

This has got me puzzled, it's the same wording in bkcI. Having reread it again and again, there's no mention of saving rolls at all, and assuming that simplicity was Petes intention it does look as though it's meant to be:
1. Roll for suppressive hits - normal no of dice but only hit on 6's - there are no saves.
2. For each "hit" (i.e. 6) then roll for supression like normal.

So in your example there are no saves, and simply then roll for supression. We tend to use the morale types however for that, hence elite supression on a 6, along with some awful types suppressed on a 3+

Perhaps bizarrely this is better explained in BKCIII (!)
In there it points out that there are no saves, but only gives the example of infantry firing at AFVs and so gives a max range of 20cm. It also says that a target is only supressed once, further suppressions have no additional effect. It does not mention guns with no AP attacks firing at soft targets where the 20cm rule is a bit odd!

Dr Dave - Thank you. I was leaning in that direction. That is how I will play it. Funny you mention BKC III: I only have I and II...lol.

Again, thank you, and thanks to the others that provided input.

Mitch