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Hi,

I'm sure there's a topic about Ukraine -but I did not find it yet.

Any thoughts about ultra-modern russians? T-90(A), Tigr, etc?
Or just use the cold war soviet list, call it 2S19 instead of 2S3, etc?

What force structure you advice for a hipotetic baltic conflict between NATO (US) and Russian forces?

The Russian-backed rebels were getting some nice second-hand vehicles and some were helpfully driven by Russians too!

Do you mean force structure?

Or stats for vehicles in CWC format?

There was a Rand report a few weeks ago
About what NATO would need in the Baltic states To deter Russian aggression.
I think it was about 4 tank heavy Bdes needed to be station in the Baltics to
Slow them down otherwise it was about 60hrs to the coast.
Regards
Sean

Checkout CWC general discussion Baltic WW3 for the links
Regards
Sean

Hi,

A bit of force structure, and a bit of stats also!
Thanks for the Baltic stuff

the Wikipedia article on Russian forces provides information on current organizations. Divisions had been replaced by brigades, but the Russians are reforming divisions. The new divisions appear to be smaller and regiments are no longer three and one formations and may actually be renamed brigades.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_Grou...
The TO&E yahoo group has a zip file of the 2005 Russian brigade organization that is very detailed
https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/TOandE...

Regards,
Bill

Wow, so, basically, change everything, then change all the names, then rejig it back to where it was before but with different names. Unless it isn't, in which case juggle the components around and retitle them?

It's either a maskirovka of genius so no one knows which unit is what, or a work of management rebranding that's a total cock up

That basically sums it up. I came across an item on the Russian brigades which states that the same type of brigade could have different numbers of infantry and tank battalions, more than one artillery battalion, possibly an MRL battalion, maybe an engineer battalion, and maybe even a recon battalion plus some air defense.

It was at that point in time that I decided to create two fictional Latin American countries and stage battles between them.
http://18clovehamhock.blogspot.com/2015/11/the-la-cucarach-army.html

When your imagi-nations are made up from whole cloth AND are as accurate as real formations, it's worrying

I wonder if the Russians actually know what's in what formation...

I think the brigades kept most of the artillery park of the divisions they were downsized from. And many of the other support assets.

So much heavier supporting arms than NATO brigades.

This is the best info on that wikipedia page: "During 2009, all 23 remaining divisions were reorganised into four tank brigades, 35 motor-rifle brigades, one prikritiya brigade formed from a machinegun-light artillery division, and three airborne-assault brigades (pre-existing). Almost all are now designated otdelnaya (separate), with only several brigades retaining the guards honorific title.

In 2013, two of these brigades were reactivated as full divisions: the 2nd Guards Tamanskaya Motor Rifle Division and 4th Guards Kantemirovskaya Tank Division."

But at small unit level not much has changed. There is no reason why you shouldn't just use the existing CWC lists.

As for equipment stats, to the lists on page 117 you'd want to add Kornet ATGW support unit, Spiral/MTLB ATGW unit, T72B3 tank unit, Tunguska air defence unit, 2s19 artillery unit, 2S25 light tank unit.

I suspect retaining the Divisional support structure but "shrinking" the fighting battalions to a Brigade sized group is intended to leave them able to "pump up" back to a Division with minimal hassle?

Toxicpixie is right. The Sovie... I mean Russians don't throw away anything. Lots of those tanks, BMPs and APCs are stored away somewhere. They always planned on creating new formations at mobilization by splitting existing formations, then adding more equipment and conscripts.